The October Revolution evolution brough liberation to workers, agriculture proletariat and also woman in USSR. Woman were no longer a property of husband, and they could pursuit any career, like scientist, engineer, soldier or even a cosmonaut. Their voice finally could be heard publicly.
It seems that the years after the October Revolution were also the time of sexual liberation, e.g. like women could have more partners without social stigma, characteristic to patriarchal societies. Conservatives describe this as moral decandency, they write that the Bolsheviks allowed “sadism and masochism” and all kind of sexual perversion. Of course, these conservative fucks do not admit that this “sadism and masochism” cases were most probably consensual sexual practices.
Then, I heard, when Stalin took power, the sexual liberty was tamed. The conservative fucks write something like “Stalin was a monster, but at least he put in order the sexual and moral decandency”. And it looks that the sex matters were quite a tabu during Stalin times. Maybe because there was the Great War and a maximal mobilization and discipline were needed. But after Stalin, things seems similar. I read a story of some Polish man, who met some ladies from USSR, probably in 80s. He said that they were more sexualy prudent than people rised in (ultra-?)catholic Poland (even if at that time there was People’s Republic of Poland, this country is cursed by very strong catholic mind-worm). I know that USSR had many based gay posters, but I do not see evidence of any sexual playfulnes in practice since Stalin. To put it shortly, USSR since Stalin looks as conservative in matters of customs and sex.
Is a grain of truth in the above or I get it wrong?
conservative compared to who and when? 70 years is a long time. the big ones i know off the cuff are:
the soviets decriminalized and then recriminalized homosexuality pretty early on, and then also abortion unbanned, re-banned for the more sympathetic than religious fascism but still gross reason of being desperate for population growth, and then unbanned again later before all the capitalist states.
soviets were better to the queer people liberated from nazi camps than the allies were, etc.
conservative compared to who and when?
Conservative compared with Bolsheviks between 1917 and the Stalin era - my conjecture.
The October Revolution happened in the country that barely climbed out of feudalism, some conservative backlash was inevitable. You can’t just make people all progressive out of the blue, it is a slow process. Poland was just more developed in 1917, so it had some headstart.
some conservative backlash was inevitable.
This explanation seems quite probable. We can see many conservative backlashes even now, sadly.
Then, I heard, when Stalin took power,
“Revolution was good, then Stalin [was/did bad thing] so USSR became [bad thing].” is pretty much the original radlib madlib. Whatever social and material conditions existed in the USSR at the time, you can be sure that Stalin was a reflection of them, not the cause of them.
So the society started to believe that it should be more socially conservative by itself?
Not exactly what you’re looking for and I haven’t fully read it, but a
goodplace to start on understanding sexuality in socialist countries might be Ghodsee’s book. Just be aware that as a Yankee “leftist” writer she’s contractually obligated to perpetuate nonsense myths.Looks interesting, I will certainly check it, thank you for this reference Comrade.
There was an academic work mentioned in a recent Cosmopod episode Between the Market and the Plan. It was a very brief mention in regards to the shifting sexual mores in the USSR.
Unfortunately the title of the work wasn’t very descriptive nor catchy so I can’t recall it now. And of course the episode is 3 hours long. I’ll try to dig up the reference and get back to you about it.
In any case, thank you Comrade!
Ah, I found it!
It’s called "Sex in Public: The Incarnation of Early Soviet Ideology”
I haven’t read it so I can’t promise anything but it might be a good place to start at the least.
You are great, thank you so much!!!
Might I suggest that you learn to identify hierarchies of authority and the ways they reinforce themselves using violence, mythology, pretense, and propaganda? Once you drop the labels, you’ll see that any organization that dictates narratives from a hierarchical position of authority looks identical in function, and only varies in degree. The USSR, like every other hierarchy of ignorance attempted to organize itself so that there was at least one government operative in every family, and reinforced that power structure through segregation and coercion. If the government can halt the progression of male maturity at puberty and then promise every man a wife and home to lord over, then it doesn’t have to worry about policing the women and children.
If the government can halt the progression of male maturity at puberty
This has to be a bit, right?
Actually Stalin did this so he could eat all the pussy in Russia, so unfortunately it’s true.
The prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed until around the age of 25. Militaries recruit 17 year olds to enlist them as soon as they turn 18. It’s at this age that the mind is most susceptible to indoctrination.
Thanks god the westerners are not doctrinated since their birth with baptism and religious teachings and then being filled with omnipresent neoliberal and conservative paradigm like sponge.
Militaries recruit 17 year olds to enlist them as soon as they turn 18
Militaries enlist child soldiers in some places.
People are inundated with propaganda at any age. How could they not be when literally any work that has a point is propaganda?
Please read this article for more on how propaganda works.
Can you provide any evidence to suggest that younger people are any more susceptible to “indoctrination”?
They’re banned, so you won’t be getting an answer to that
I wouldn’t have gotten an answer anyway because their proposition is laughable
any organization that dictates narratives from a hierarchical position of authority looks identical in function, and only varies in degree
In current historical stage, no organization can effectively work without some hierarchy and centralisation. Please read any of Marx and Engels works. Your opinion is an insult, putting together such opposites as nazis and USSR. Both hierarchical (USSR less than westerners think), but with totally different goals and morality. So please do not equate hierarchy with oppression. You and your small kid (if you have any) are in hierarchical relationship. But is it oppression?
“Insult” is just your subjective judgement. Both organizations cost millions of lives in the name of authoritarian ideology. You’re just upset because you bought more of the propaganda from the USSR than you did the Nazis.
Imagine the horror of the Soviet Union killing Nazis who were literally doing the Holocaust.
Can you imagine how awful it is that they didn’t resort to nonviolent peaceful protests?
Edit: Just saw you’ve been banned from Lemmygrad for equating the USSR with Nazis.
We’ve received several reports for this user since they were banned; note the missing profile picture, which is currently used as an instance-wide ban indicator. We’re not removing the comments at the moment because of a bug in lemmy-ui that causes all replies to be hidden as well
I wish lemmy-ui showed a ban icon in front of their usernames like Jerboa does, it’s not the most obvious that someone’s banned just from the missing pic alone, especially if one’s used to Jerboa where not-banned people who don’t have a pic set don’t get a default one, it just doesn’t show one
it used to show “banned” next to the display name before the latest big UI change, hopefully it’ll be restored eventually
i think that banned users’ comments should stay lol
