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When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he’s already told Bibi to “finish it”. So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .
I’ve always held that Bernie deserved better than his supporters.
The one time he actually needed all that energy and noise and the shitbags turned out with all the enthusiasm of a deadbeat dad being asked to come to parent teacher night.
Millenials and Zoomers turning out at population share at the primary would have made it a landslide for him. They couldn’t even do that much, nevermind the easy dominating overrepresented share they could take with all the boomers catching the MAGA brainrot.
First off, Gen Z was born between 1995 and 2012, which means only a small % of them could even vote in 2016 (1995-1998) and 2020 (1995-2002). Even 2020 we’re talking less than like 30% of the generation was even old enough to vote. In 2016 it was like 12-15%? So I would take a step back for a second and think through this blanket statement of yours on that alone. 6 years out of 17 won’t be able to vote this coming election, so we’re talking (napkin math) like 70% of the generation is even eligible in 2024. I hope my point has been sufficiently made here.
Second, why is it the responsibility of Gen Z and Millennials to save everyone else, or rather - why is it our fault when other people vote for Trump/someone else in the primaries? Why didn’t Gen X vote for him? Why are boomers off the hook? It’s not Gen Z and Millenials’ collective fault that other people voted for Trump. That’s absurd.
This just gives me flashbacks to Republicans in 2016 essentially saying “well you forced me to vote for Trump when you all [insert social issue they are mad about]” as if they aren’t responsible for their own actions and it’s everyone else’s fault they voted for the bigoted conman.
I love how you just came right the fuck out and admitted you expect everyone else to do the revolution for you but tried to phrase it like never turning out is some kind of virtue.
I’m not sure I follow…? Are you responding to the right person?
Gen Z could barely vote for Bernie in the primaries. Holding them accountable for “not turning out“ when it was literally impossible for the vast majority to is a pretty bold take.
I am responsible for a vote and who I support. That doesn’t make it my fault when someone else votes for a different candidate.
Both Gen Z and Millenials underperformed share of the voting age population. Millions of both actively chose to just not show up the one time it mattered.
Your right that it ain’t your fault when other people vote for someone else, but the Bernie crusaders have NEVER owned up to that being 99% of what happened both times around, other people voted for someone else, and that number of other people was well surmountable by turning out at voting age share at a minimum, let alone how much more young voters could take in over representation if they could be fucking bothered to do anything but get mad at other people for not voting the way the non voters wanted them to.
I don’t really see the sense in blaming 18-25 year olds for not bailing us out of our mess.
Nah, Bernie deserved better than the backroom deals that kept him from ever having a fair chance at getting the nomination.
Bernie lost at the ballot box ultimately. The reason he couldn’t make any backroom deals is because he spent his time attacking the Democratic Party the entire primary both times. I don’t understand why people expected them to shake his hand as he continuously spat in theirs.
I am a fan of Bernie. I volunteered for one of his campaigns. But it is always surprising to me how people forget the game he played. He wanted to be a revolutionary, to be a massive wind of change and take down the Democrat establishment. He described them as corrupt and awful at every single campaign stop. What the hell did people expect other than the Democrat establishment being upset about that? He’s not even a Democrat, he’s an independent who joined their party for the purpose of trying to get the nomination. Fair play, and obviously the only realistic way he had a shot at being president, but he is by every definition an outsider to the party - which we loved about him! But why on earth would they warmly embrace him?
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You mean like the delegate system that actually benefited him disproportionate to the share of the vote he got?
Or how apparently not letting a candidate pull the nomination with a minority of support is some grand conspiracy of moderate candidates by collectively having more support than him?
Or any number of other reason why the fact that you spent primary day flicking your boogers at the ceiling to see if any of them would stick has nothing to do with Bernie not having as much primary support as his campaign events would suggest?
We could have had Bernie if the NY Board of Elections didn’t purge all newly registered Democrats despite complying with the October 9th deadline. They erased over 120,000 in Brooklyn alone. The fix was in.
The fix was in but easily surmountable by just fucking turning out.
DNC meddling is a fucking boogeyman, only 30 million people voted in the primaries, y’all fucking flaked and won’t deserve a leader like him again until you all fucking own that y’all abdicated.
The best excuse y’all could possibly have is that the DNC meddling boogeyman actually spooked you out of participating. Then at least you’re just a moron instead of being pathetic too.