• IbnLemmy@feddit.uk
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    9 months ago

    Right, right, because it’s people on welfare that are destroying the economy… Tory logic

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    There’s like 15 people in this country who could be looking for work and aren’t. How does inflicting revenge pain on them raise any sort of money for the rest of us?

    They’re either lying, or utterly incompetent when it comes to understanding who’s in the welfare system.

    Or both I guess.

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      They understand what their voters want to hear: it’s not us causing the problem in this country, it’s the lazy benefit cheats

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        We’ve come full circle on this one. This is pretty much exactly the same shit they said 13 years ago when we all had to ‘tighten our budgets’ whilst the richest people in the UK got significantly richer at our expense.

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      You’d be surprised to find out that it’s way more than 15 people. I’ve personally known at least a dozen who immigrated to the UK just because of the welfare system and they’d abuse it by getting paid for sitting on their ass all day.

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        You absolutely do not.

        I was an audiotypist for benefit fraud interviews for many years. My partner at the time worked in the BDC. I’m also a first generation immigrant. What I’m trying to say is that you absolutely are talking out your arse.

        I can assure you that even if anyone immigrates to the UK, the road between stepping foot in the country and being able to claim benefits is long and complex.

        Why would you even lie?

      • SbisasCostlyTurnover@feddit.uk
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        I mean I’ll happily have a debate about the merits of UBI in a world where we’re rushing towards mass unemployment, but that’s aside it’s a very very small segment of people on welfare who are “playing the system”.

        It’s bullshit rhetoric designed to get people shouting down at the poorest in our society whilst the richest get away with stealing from us all.

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        9 months ago

        Mate I work a minimum wage warehouse job and my partner works part time in a supermarket. We rent a 2 bed terrace house that hasn’t had any work done to it in 20 years and can barely afford to keep the lights on. Middle class I ain’t.

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            But in the grand scheme of things it’s a relatively small percentage of people. And If they were serious about saving the tax payers money they wouldn’t have written off a few billion in COVID loans a few years back.

            They couldn’t give two shits if some bloke is down the job center claiming a few hundred quid to sit on his arse, and tbh neither should we. There’s significantly bigger fish to fry.

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                When did I say people aren’t playing the system? I said it’s massively overestimated given the numbers of people that aren’t playing the system.

                And welfare spending also includes Pensions. It’s also by far and away the largest portion of that pie. Maybe we could take the state pension away from people who already have a nice cushty private pension and distribute that percentage back to people who aren’t in a position to retire at all?

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        The OP is clearly using hyperbole. But only 1% of the welfare bill goes on unemployment benefits, so even if absolutely everyone on unemployment benefits is cheating and you cut them off, you don’t save much. In reality the majority of people on unemployment benefits are not cheating the system - a system that already sanctions the unemployed for not actively seeking work.

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            9 months ago

            I’m talking about the long term “sick” many of whom I personally believe are exaggerating their symptoms.

            Well good thing you know what your talking about. Otherwise I’d be inclined think you were a enormous twat.

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    9 months ago

    Jeremy Hunt: “A “poor” asked me for some change or a warm drink the other day. Obviously I wanted to help him, so I punched him in the face and stole his rucksack and blanket, which will support and encourage him back into the world of work.”

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    9 months ago

    Where’s the package to save us from corporate welfare Mr Cunt. Bail out any banks recently? Fuck off

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      Yes

      It’s a great bogeyman they can spend money going after because the people who they’ll screw over (ie those who will lose their home if they start working as minimum wage is too low and support is only given to people who earn below a certain amount which is way too little) would never vote for them anyway

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      Yep, election year in New Zealand too and National are doing the exact same thing… I’m so tired of this boogeyman, I don’t know how other people aren’t just as tired of this bullshit.

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    It continues to disturb me that this is so popular. Hurting the most vulnerable in our society for votes is pretty sick and twisted.

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    It’s an election year even if its not been announced the tories are doing their favourite thing of targeting a minority within a majority

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    Yeah, get a job like us cause, we do fuck all and get paid too.

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      Anecdotal evidence is not stronger than actual data. Your father became reliant on the state because the state paid a living wage and other jobs didn’t.

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          Social programs don’t go far enough. You can’t lift yourself out of poverty when you’re paid before the poverty line. People who need these resources can’t afford to lift themselves out of poverty.

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              You are protecting a lot of stereotypes into a very diverse set of people. You can’t police the few that would spend their money on heroine without punishing those who need food for themselves and their children. Stop blaming the poor for all of societies problems and start looking at the rich to pay their debt to society.

              There is no effort you can put into getting out of poverty because the system is designed to keep you impoverished.

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                  Not without creating a complex and expensive system that is unnecessarily penalizing.

                  You’re right, you didn’t mention the rich and that’s the problem. Your focus has been on the wrong group this entire time. Quit obsessing over the people with the least power to affect any change in they’re lives and start focusing on the group that never faces scrutiny but is most deserving of it.