I don’t think it was a particularly easy election. A majority of the people I know (which isn’t much admittedly) protest voted. Most thought her win was inevitable. I bet my friend in February that If it was Drumpf/Clinton, Drumpf would win. If so many people didn’t feel burned by her being picked over Sanders, she would have won electoral and popular.
She wasn’t right about a lot of things, specially relating to the Middle East. Misguided at best, malicious at worst when it comes to the Middle East.
At this point anyone relitigating 2016 is fart sniffing. Nobody cares that you hate Clinton and nobody cares if you love her. Nothing good can possibly come from picking that scab over and over again, so either just move on, or preferably, put that energy into something productive, like community outreach, organizing or local politics.
It’s literally too late for that … Nothing short of a massive general strike against SCOTUS or less civilized nation wide riots will save the USA
She did win the popular vote, by millions. But the good ol’ I Wanna Keep Mah Slaves Electoral College handed it to an overgrown 10 year old.
And the millions sat silent mumbling under their nose that they didn’t vote hard enough.
I still remember how, as people on the ground in Michigan were seeing it coming and begging for more GOTV volunteers, her campaign flatly refused, instead sending volunteers to Iowa thinking she could win a red state and dunk on Trump. After all, the info on the ground couldn’t be better than their New York polling.
She thought she could just with by being not Trump (which, sure, should have been enough), but decided to not provide anything to vote for, rather than just voting against Trump.
She wins, we still have Roe and a bevy of other positive SCOTUS decisions from a 5-4 liberal court (maybe even 6-3). But she and Ginsburg screwed us over.
running a bad candidate on the basis of them not being Trump appears to be the Democrat strategy for as long as Trump continues breathing.
Tbh, the people who voted for Trump deserve at least some of the blame. I really do not like this idea that either campaign waved or failed to wave some magic wand to remove the individual agency of voters. The decision to vote for Trump was colossally idiotic, and very easy to not make.
I mean… I voted for her… I tried to convince others. I’m cognisant of the media, Russia, the DNC…
She also kinda forgot to campaign the rust belt and took for granted the folks on main St that didn’t bounce back with wall st, yet “took a risk on a black guy” and got burned by “intellectual corporate Democrats”
She never set foot in states she didn’t have to lose and it felt like Michael Moore was the only watching in real time with me.
I’m not sure any other election had so much foreign interference, so maybe not as easy as you think.
It’s never a neoliberal’s fault when they lose.
Yup. Hillary is too corrupt. Had Biden ran instead, he would have won back then when he wasn’t senile.
Yeah, it’s a real shame his son died when he did. We’d have experienced 16 years of democractic rule and Bernie Sanders would be a name only political junkies and people in Vermont knew.
Certainly some of the time it isn’t.
Even if this is true, why is it okay for amerikkka to interfere in foreign elections, but not okay for foreign governments to interfere in amerikkkan “elections”?
US foreign policy sucks, so you don’t get to complain when other foreign policies negatively impact you 😡
She had completely hijacked the entire democratic party and pulled an assload of shady shit while she was running in order to stay on top. And then she goes into the debates with Trump and acts like she’s some insipid Susie fucking homemaker. She even had one of her idiots feed her questions beforehand and managed to still fuck it up.
Her big mistake IMO is in not being her bitch ass self and wrecking that fat pompous dipshit on the debate stage. I was excruciatingly disappointed when I watched those and didn’t see the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast. So yeah, she lost that shit all by her self by not being herself.
Fuck Trump, a rapist, a liar, a thief, a narcissitic piece of shit. And fuck his daddy Putin, too.
This is incredibly brave of you to say in 2024, eight years after the electoral college designed by the slaveowning founding fathers you worship made the loser of the 2016 election into the winner.
the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast
Forbidden AI prompt
The Republicans knew exactly how to defang her. They kept going on and on about “mean Hillary” so the fucking fresh poli sci college grads decided hey let’s make her more likeable and friendly! Of course that played directly into their plan to make her seem weak.
Yeah she should have ignored the fucking Republicans and just leaned straight into it. She would have looked sharp as fucking knives compared to Trump’s dull-witted lunacy talk.
I was excruciatingly disappointed when I watched those and didn’t see the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast.
I just want to say, I love everything about this sentence
Fuck all of you that think that Trump committed voter fraud only in 2020.
The reason she lost was that Trump cheated in the 2016 election, too.
That was why the world was stunned. Because the results were phony.
mmhmm I’m sure it had absolutely nothing to do with her terrible voter turnout
Which I’m sure had absolutely nothing to do with her sketchy performance under Obama.
And I’m sure not a single Democrat cared that the DNC went around saying “screw the primary we already chose our candidate” during the scam of a primary.
She still won the popular vote by millions. The thing is though, the electoral college is a relic that needs an overhaul at best, and that’s problematic for a lot of reasons. I largely agree with you though.
Hillary singled Trump out to elevate him among the other Republican nominees because she thought he’d be the easiest to beat.
It’s her fucking fault.
Didn’t she say something like “can’t we just drone him” in reference to assange?
She also questioned why we would let Palestine have an election without first determining who the winner would be…
Regarding the election, in which Hamas beat Fatah by 74 to 45 seats, Clinton said “I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake. And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”
Hillary is/was a terrible candidate and person.
But she’s always claimed the only reason anyone wouldn’t like her is because of conservative propaganda.
She did a lot to get us to the current point where anything except 100% loyalty to the party leads to someone being accused of being a Republican.
Same road republicans went down.
And our standards for Dem candidates has nosedived just like Republicans did. They just have a head start
To be fair, Assange is an annoying cunt who I’d probably drone strike if I could. But I’m just trigger happy these days, so it’s a good thing I don’t have any sort of power.
To sum things up, First, the US should never have gone after him. That was one of many, many wrongs committed by the US.
But The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
Assange is a rapist. Got to keep that one in mind here. The cases themselves were dropped, but some of the women have said they would still press charges if it were an option. But statute of limitations is in effect.
Another wrong he committed, he released full social security numbers as part of his leaks, multiple times.
As part of not redacting sensitive info, he got multiple Iraqi and Afghani civilians killed, because their names were in the documents he released.
And he was a shitty boss, and a shitty pet owner.
Other things, Assange has been on Russia’s payroll for a while. Wikileaks has never once released anything that makes Putin look bad. They did not host the Panama Papers, and Assange called them an anti-Putin, CIA fabrication.
Now, I’m not saying that the CIA wouldn’t do that. But I will say that I don’t think any three letter agency in the world is competent enough to do so without getting caught at it.
And finally he gave us the Trump presidency.
No, fuck that guy. Probably doesn’t deserve anything more than the prison time he served, but it did deserve prison, especially for the rapes.
If you want actual responsible journalism and document leaks, check out these guys.
“Get over yourself”
Fuck off Hillary
If we didn’t have the archaic Electoral College system, she would have won. She won the popular vote by millions.
Bernie would have won if the DNC wasn’t so heavily focused on it being her “turn”. And then it was Joes “turn” after that. Bernie was the only person Trump was afraid of.
Not saying you’re wrong or anything. Just adding to it.
This wasn’t true about Biden. The establishment didn’t care who won that primary, as long as it wasn’t Bernie. I think Harris was their first choice, but they flipped to Biden when she tanked.
Biden absolutely believes he “earned” his time as president. He’s a life long politician that went through all the steps for it.
That may be, but he’s better at hiding it than Hillary. She seemed to always be making it clear that it was her turn. That message came across much more strongly than anything else.
Oh, Biden himself does actually believe that, but that’s true of pretty much every president. I do think it’s a little more extreme in his case than for most.
That is entirely possible.
However, I am not convinced Bernie could have gotten an agenda through either. It’s not exactly like his political ideals are even loved by a lot of the Democrats in government.
Not saying I wouldn’t have wanted him for president, I voted for him. But I am not convinced he would have been any more effective than Carter.
It’s really hard to implement a progressive agenda when even the so-called left isn’t on that agenda’s side.
Look to FDR as a model of what happens when a progressive agenda gets a firebrand President. It’s not like the politics were all that different, or Congress any less corrupt.
I disagree. The politics were a lot different. For example, the filibuster worked completely differently.
You only need 50%+ of the senate to change the rules that allow the filibuster.
Good luck with that.
That’s the point of the firebrand President. We have not had a President since FDR who knows how to stand up to special interests and even their own party when necessary.
The point is that it’s a self-imposed handicap. If a party has 50%+ in both houses and the presidency, they have the ability to pass whatever they like and choose not to use it.
The left functionality doesn’t exist in this country. We stamped them out in the Cold War and replaced them with the new Democrats who were all for social progressivism but economically were beholden to corporate interests. Then you have the conservatives who are so socially regressive they think Sharia Law is a roadmap and are so in bed with corporate interests that they’d be fine if kids died in coal mines as long as someone at the top is getting paid.
We can’t have the true left back until we get voting reform. Ranked choice or approval voting is essential to allow 3rd parties to have a chance to flourish without causing a spoiler effect. That will also pull the Overton window back to the left again as the two major political parties will have less of an incentive to court extremists and will see better results at the polls if their platforms appeal to as many people as possible.
Fair enough. But then again, if you didn’t have that, the campaigns of both sides would employ different strategies, leading to different outcomes.
Yeah, that Electoral College sure jumped right out in front of her, only giving her 227 years to prepare.
And the entire center of the geographical US would look like the Appalachians, but who cares about “flyover country” anyway?
What does that even mean? What does it have to do with the fact that she would have won if the president, who serves the nation was elected by a national popular vote rather that one which weights Montana and Massachusetts equally?
Because, believe it or not, keeping Hillary from winning is not why the Electoral College exists.
One of the reasons the United States has been the breadbasket of the world is because our government has HAD to account for the interests of underpopulated agrarian areas that otherwise would be ignored because they wouldn’t get ELECTED otherwise. Minnesota, Nebraska, and Iowa are IMPORTANT in elections. So we take care of our farmers.
Funny the way that works, isn’t it?
Our farmers are not taken care of by their senators and congresspeople so they need to be artificially weighed in favor of when it comes to the chief executive? I’m sorry, that’s just silly.
No it’s not. Sorry, you and I do not agree.
You’re right. We don’t agree. I don’t think giving a farmer a vote more powerful than a city dweller’s when it comes to who should run the entire nation is ludicrous. Making up for a state’s small population is what the senate is for.
Everyone’s vote for president should be counted equally.
Go away Hillary.
How did she hurt you?
She gave us 4 years of Donald Trump.
How much do the Democrats need to mess up before they can be considered to be working with the Republicans instead of against them?
Clinton was one whoopsie in a chain of mistakes that has led us here.
Edit: I am getting a significant amount of replies saying that I’m being mean to Hillary. To be clear, I’m not dogging on her. She did her best. I’m upset at the Democratic party for putting her against Trump. She lacks charisma, it’s not her fault.
Spoiler: Both are Right Wing parties, so they represent the establishment, not the people or progressive ideals.
We need Ranked Choice Voting so we can vote our conscience and ideals and stop being forced into a lose-lose situation every election.
Casual victim blaming Hilary, ignoring the massive propaganda campaign against her, sponsored by a foreign government.
How very American of you.
Trump and the Russians are to blame, not Hillary.
Trump and the Russians are to blame, not Hillary.
Did trump and the Republicans prevent her from campaigning in swing states and heavily campaigning in democratic strongholds?
Hillary absolutely deserves blame for how her candidacy fucked the dog so hard she lost to Donald trump. She doesn’t deserve all the blame for her loss by any stretch, but she does not need to be sanctified as a martyr of some kind.
I didn’t blame Hillary. Hillary did her best. I blame the Democratic organization who decided to run Hillary. They could have run Bernie. They could have run somebody who had more charisma.
The average voter is retarded. They need to see strength and charisma.
How many time does it take to not be her fault and finally fall on the electorate?
It takes a village when? How long after the baby is born?
You mean the electorate that was voting for Bernie en masse but Wasserman-Schulz and the big donors didn’t want that so they threw the rest of the primaries to go Hillarys way? The electorate that was disenfranchised by their own party?
Oh holy Jesus yes keep saying it was all stolen from you. The primaries are rigged, the election was stolen!
You are a pawn! Being used for adrenochrome!
Bernie had the rug ripped out from him! Thats why he worked with the DNC. Thats why Bernie says the opposite of you. Cause they fucked him!
Bernie was fucked by the establishment stranglehold over mainstream media, inherent flaws in the primary system, and some truly underhanded tactics. There has been no good evidence of any kind of tampering with the votes.
Bernie has always been a pragmatist. The progressive movement has nothing to gain by him obsessing over sour grapes. Contrast that with Hillary who will live the rest of her life locked into the day she lost.
Compare your comment to sour grapes….
“Bernie” is a role you like to play. Bernie isn’t a person he’s your grievance.
I was explaining why Bernie moved on. I’d love to move on but it seems like every few months Hillary pops up in the media with another sneer.
Anyways, given where all the establishment fuckery of the past 50 years has led us at this particular moment, I feel like a little anger is justified, no?
Does Bernie hold that same anger? Has he moved on or have you not?
